
This group read is hosted by Carl at Stainless Steel Droppings as a part of the RIP VI Challenge. Head over to this post to see other entries for this week in The Lantern. Just a note to say thanks to everyone for having me be a part of this; thanks to Carl for hosting and to Kailana and Heather for providing such thought- and discussion-provoking questions. (Heather...I'm not sure which one is your blog! Let me know and I'll insert the link!)
Please note that for anyone who hasn't read The Lantern, this is as stated the last week of the group read, and this post will contain spoilers. And oddly, there's a spoiler for Rebecca in here too. You have been warned.
I think I have to start by saying outright that overall, I didn't like The Lantern. I also think I may be a minority of one on this for this group [edited to add: I lie! Daphne and Caroline seem equally disappointed and/or disgruntled], so hopefully you can hear me out. It's been interesting reading everyon
e else's answers for the read along and seeing people loving parts that I don't, and nice to see the opinions that are variant with mine. So please don't hold this against me...but I didn't care for this novel at all.1. Now that it's all said and done; what did you think of the book? Did you see the ending coming?
Both yes and no. The sections with "Eve" and Dom so closely paralleled what I remember about du Maurier that there were no surprises there for me even if they were a bit opposite each other: Rebecca ends in suicide-by-murder, while The Lantern ends in murder-by-suicide...perhaps. In any case I've spent the entire book feeling like the parallels to Rebecca were too strong for Dom to be a serial killer, murderer of wives, or a plain old bad guy. I wasn't exactly certain how their story would end, but I've never particularly thought that Dom was guilty of anything except being a terrible communicator with a temper problem and a bit of a prat, to be honest.
The section with Benedicte, Pierre, and Marthe did leave me somewhat guessing till the end. But I found it enormously annoying that Benedicte's experiences were more or less explained away by a medical condition, though. It threw me for a loop, but it was not the loop I was looking for.
I felt as manipulated as that stormtrooper.
Of anyone, Benedicte should have been haunted, and I couldn't stand the fact that science steps in to explain away everything that Benedicte experienced. Now, do I believe that Benedicte believes that her impending blindness was the reason for her hauntings? No. But the very concreteness of a medical condition as an offering to explain everything that we've just read, everything that Benedicte experienced, is something that's too solid and too practical for the tone of the novel that we've just read. It's an out, and to me it feels like a convenient one. Especially since it comes so far out of right field. Yes, Marthe was blind so there's family history, but the sudden inclusion of research scientists, doctors, a university, and narrative tapes just felt too incredibly intrusive, too cold and antiseptic, to have any place here. (But someone participating, and I can't remember who, thought that there might be a medical condition involved, so my "coming out of left field" is obviously someone else's reasonable suspicion. Well spotted to whoever it was! What made you suspect this as a possibility?)
I did like that Benedicte herself was a ghost. That doesn't make up for solving her entire plot line with a medical condition, but it was a very nice addition. And in thinking about last week's questions, it gives me a much better understanding of the hauntings that "Eve" experienced, particularly with the lantern.
Of anyone, Benedicte should have been haunted, and I couldn't stand the fact that science steps in to explain away everything that Benedicte experienced. Now, do I believe that Benedicte believes that her impending blindness was the reason for her hauntings? No. But the very concreteness of a medical condition as an offering to explain everything that we've just read, everything that Benedicte experienced, is something that's too solid and too practical for the tone of the novel that we've just read. It's an out, and to me it feels like a convenient one. Especially since it comes so far out of right field. Yes, Marthe was blind so there's family history, but the sudden inclusion of research scientists, doctors, a university, and narrative tapes just felt too incredibly intrusive, too cold and antiseptic, to have any place here. (But someone participating, and I can't remember who, thought that there might be a medical condition involved, so my "coming out of left field" is obviously someone else's reasonable suspicion. Well spotted to whoever it was! What made you suspect this as a possibility?)
I did like that Benedicte herself was a ghost. That doesn't make up for solving her entire plot line with a medical condition, but it was a very nice addition. And in thinking about last week's questions, it gives me a much better understanding of the hauntings that "Eve" experienced, particularly with the lantern.
2. What do you think of the characters? Lawrenson took us on a twisty little ride there, I had trouble deciding who was good and who wasn't for a while there! What do you think of Dom? Of Sabine? Rachel?
This is the point at which I should say that my feeling that The Lantern too closely paralleled Rebecca completely coloured everything that I have to say about this novel. So...know ye now...
So Dom? Knew he wasn't a murderer. Rachel? Figured she was somehow a manipulative wife and somehow I even guessed that she had cancer (probably vestiges of Rebecca in my brain?) Sabine? Well, I don't have anything there but I didn't really read her as a character so much as a catalyst. If not for Sabine, "Eve" probably wouldn't have known as much or be so compelled to try to find so much out. She meant to be a Mrs Danvers, right? And as for "Eve," I do think that the author was trying to go for that freshness and naivety that you find with the narrator of Rebecca, but honestly that naivety didn't read well for me. I'm going to be harsh, but in the romance genre there's a common tag of tstl - too stupid to live - and hey, it's in the Urban Dictionary! - which is found for your basic idiot heroine who makes bad decisions and doesn't seem to be able to manage her own life. Unfortunately at some point about halfway through The Lantern, the idea of tstl got in my head for "Eve," and I never bounced back from that. Particularly in her clinging to a relationship that she outright suspects is with a dangerous man. Property or no, pregnancy or no, if you think your lover has killed his previous wife and possibly others, you get the hell out of there. It's not a matter of saving face, it's a matter of saving your life. As Liz Lemon would say, it's a deal-breaker.
3. Pierre was such a conflicted character. In the end, do you think he killed Marthe and Annette, or did the fall to their deaths because of their blindness?
Oh, he killed them. I've got nothing to show for it, but I've got no reason to doubt it. Particularly if Marthe and Annette knew well enough that they would be vulnerable trying to remove themselves from their hiding place. Plus Pierre tortured kittens as a child, and we know what that means.
4. The book is being compared to Rebecca and Daphne du Maurier's writing. Do you think the book lives up to that description?
See question 2. I really had a problem with this, actually, and was at best pretty disappointed with the book because of that. It's been years since I've read Rebecca (before blogging by quite a spell), and it's been awhile since I've read any du Maurier. I enjoy her books, but there is a certain gothic antiquity to its tone that doesn't always translate well into the modern. I don't think that Lawrenson tried to emulate du Maurier's writing exactly, but I do feel like the plot was pretty well transferred from Book A to Book B which meant that by the time I was about half-way through, I both was no longer interested in "Eve" and Dom's story since I could roughly guess how it would play out. However, I hadn't been engaged well enough with Benedicte to be committed to her story either, and as that was the more original storytelling portion of the book, it turned out to be a disappointment. So in short yes, I think it's perfectly fair to call this a retelling of Rebecca, but no, it didn't live up to the original for me.
5. Did you have any problems with the book? Narration? Plot? The back and forth between two different characters and times?
Um, see questions 1, 2, and 4!
6. Do you think Lawrenson tied both stories together well in the end? Is there anything she could/should have done differently?
It's been a couple of weeks since I finished the novel, but I don't feel like the two stories narratively tied together. I did very much like the attempt to make that tie the place, the geographic location of both stories, but I didn't feel the connection strongly enough to imagine these two stories anything but the most tenuously connected. However I'm quite keen on the tie being the place more than any characters, and would look for that to be strengthened to improve the read for me.
7. One problem I had with the novel is the reliability of the narrators. Do you think any of them were telling the truth? Which ones?
Honestly, I didn't necessarily find anyone particularly unreliable, but more that they told the truth as they knew it or saw it or hid details in order to protect others. But to be fair I'm also rereading The Haunting of Hill House, and if ever you want a truly unreliable narrator, Eleanor is pretty much my gold standard so it could simply be that my expectations of an unreliable narrator are a little different.
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Overall I think you can kind of tell my opinion on The Lantern. (Plus, you know, I told you at the start that I didn't enjoy it.) What it boils down to for me was not so much that this was a bad read, but that it was terribly disappointing. I have no problems with retellings or stories inspired by and the like, but it's a tricky road to walk and I don't feel like The Lantern was successful at that. I thought that the modern story of "Eve" and Dom was just derivative, not a re-imagining, and that annoyed me and wore me out till the very end as I was waiting for the plot to run away from du Maurier's - which it never particularly did. The characters even being aware that their story was like Rebecca - and I can't find the exact moment but I know that "Eve" references it at least once - wasn't enough to save it into something slightly more clever and postmodern. The film "Scream" is a better example of a postmodern self-awareness of characters. That self-awareness pervades every frame, whereas in The Lantern a few throwaway references didn't make me feel the characters were self-aware but in fact reminded me that I would probably be better off rereading the original.
Conversely, the story that Benedicte told went from being a "mysterious" yawner to something a lot more interesting, but by the point that her plot picked up, I had already disassociated myself from her story due to the combination of the dueling narrative and the problem I had latching on to Benedicte's story from the very start. It seems like there simply wasn't enough there: there wasn't enough story to Benedicte's story to make it into a fuller plot, and that combined with the predictable first plot didn't make either story particularly compelling to me.
And that's really a shame. There was so much potential to this book, and although I wouldn't necessarily line up for the author's next book I didn't particularly dislike the writing on this one (other than the aforementioned saturation of This-Is-How-Provence-Smells descriptions) and so I wound up feeling like there was an opportunity lost here. There was so much in this novel that could have been done differently. The primary plot with "Eve" and Dom could have thrown a better loop; the secondary plot with Benedicte could have engaged quicker; the two plots could have intertwined both earlier and better for a better investment in both. I was frustrated by the time that I finished The Lantern and left the novel feeling like I'd just ingested a bucket of candy: to start it's nice, then you start being aware that it's not that good for you but you just keep eating, ultimately leaving you unsatisfied, filled with empty calories, and maybe just a little sick to your stomach too. For me, this is no classic. In a couple of months' time all I'm going to remember is that it was too much like Rebecca to be anything other than a book that wanted to be Rebecca. And that's a really too bad, because the potential was there for something much more fulfilling.

14 comments:
Yes, life does indeed get in the way sometimes, doesn't it! Darn life!!!
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the book much but am thrilled that you stuck with it and participated in the discussions as much as you did.
I actually really enjoyed the medical explanation for Benedicte's experiences because I don't feel that it completely invalidates all the guilt she was feeling and the reason those particular people where conjured up in her vision. I also find it wonderfully ironic that Benedicte's "ghosts" are explained away but that she herself is actually a ghost. I think it is a nice dig at the idea that there is a scientific explanation for everything and it provided a nice twist at the end.
I didn't actually mind the Rebecca parallels in the end like I had predicted I would. Because of Rebecca I didn't actually ever deeply suspect that Dom was part of the serial killings or of anything particularly ghastly so that didn't bother me at all. Their relationship actually ended the way I wanted it to.
What I enjoyed about the serial killings and all the other red herrings is that we had this dark character Pierre and we had his story coming to us entirely through one character which made him a great bad guy but also cast just a little bit of doubt over everything.
I didn't have a real problem with Eve's staying in that relationship at all and I think I probably felt differently than everyone about that. I guess I don't understand that people don't find that a plausible and even realistic story line considering that thousands of women stay with men who beat the hell out of them and rarely treat them well, so Eve staying with Dom who by her own account has treated her wonderfully just because she starts to have suspicions that she herself often feels may be over reactions doesn't seem that odd to me. Also the fact that she was seeing ghosts, smelling ghosts, etc. would to me add to her doubting herself and her own instincts. So not wanting to give up what she considers a dream relationship because her husband is moody and won't discuss his ex-wife wouldn't seem that out of bounds of normalcy. But again, I think I'm the only one who feels that way.
I do think your point's about Rebecca point out what can ultimately be one of the biggest make it or break it factors with this book. If a person is okay with a book that is something of a Rebecca clone I think you have a better chance of enjoying it. I've read so few books like Rebecca that I didn't mind it being such a strong homage to the book. I did think I would, but in the end I was okay with it because I enjoyed the story.
And thanks again for taking part, I hope you join us in some other group reads in the future.
I did definitely like Benedicte turning out to be the ghost herself at the end, and you're right about that being a nice ironic move seeing as how her ghosts were explained away.
Re: "Eve" and Dom and their relationship, I'm sure I'm bringing a lot of my personal sensibilities into it, but particularly in the middle parts, maybe parts III and IV?, Dom's temper was sending me warning triggers, and that's me as a modern everyday woman. I know I can't project myself into a particular character to try to explain her actions, and I know that far to many women stay with abusive men, but to me his secrecy and temper were deal breakers. It just killed me to read "Eve" acknowledging these facets of his personality *along with suspecting him of killing his ex-wife* but then moaning about how she had no place to go, no family to turn to, etc. That definitely fell into the making bad decisions/incapable of making decisions category to me, and was a deal-breaker in just *reading* their relationship. However, since like you I never suspected Dom of being anything other than guilt-wracked about something, I had the luxury of just thinking "Eve" was being waffley and ridiculous instead of being concerned about her.
Thanks again for hosting, this was a lot of fun!
I certainly don't have a problem with anyone thinking Dom's behavior should have sent Eve running, I completely agree with that. I too kept thinking, "Eve, you are so in denial". I don't agree with her staying nor do I agree with her not being more assertive with him, but I did feel it worked for the story and in that sense I don't find her behavior unrealistic. Maddening yes, but not unrealistic on any level. I wish more women were assertive and that more listened to their instincts and recognized warning signs. There would be far fewer disastrous, abusive relationships in the world and far fewer broken families.
I think Eve made horrible decisions in staying with him at the beginning, but I think the internal logic of the story made that seem plausible that she would do that. And it wouldn't have been much of a story if she would have packed her bags in chapter one and went home, LOL!
I guess what I am trying to say is that Eve and Dom were both maddeningly stupid in the decisions they made and I don't feel particularly supportive of the decisions they made, but I do feel it served the story and I believe life unfortunately bears out the reality that far too many people make these same stupid mistakes every day.
Awesome on the Star Wars scene.
I ended up enjoying "The Lantern" a lot, in part because I went into it with no expectations.
Hope you're feeling better!
Maddening but not unrealistic, definitely! And yes...it would have been a rather short novel indeed if "Eve" would have packed her bags when I would have!
Grace, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yes, I really felt like Benedicte's medical explanation was a misdirection on par with "These aren't the droids you're looking for." :)
I think I also liked the whole eyesight thing with Benedicte because it not only fit in with the family history of sight problems, but also because it is in some ways a tangible manifestation of Benedicte's guilt over choices she made. Plus I found it an incredibly scary thing to think about happening to a person. How awful would that be?!?!
Ooo, I do like the idea of it being a physical manifestation of her guilty feelings. Good point!
I totally agree with your points... Have you read The Red Tent? I use that as my benchmark for Books That Really Should Have Been Better. This had all the marks of a good book, and yet it really fell flat for me, and I wonder how much of it was the author just not wanting to take things far enough. I feel like she just copped out on every single interesting storyline. I actually quite liked the basic outline of the book and thought the writing was decent, and enjoyed the Bene/Marthe storyline, but ultimately I was left with, "huh?"
Tstl. TOTALLY.
I am glad to read so many wonderful points about this book. People see it in many different ways, so it makes it fun! That's too bad you didn't enjoy the book more, but the diversity of responses is what makes read-alongs fun!
"Property or no, pregnancy or no, if you think your lover has killed his previous wife and possibly others, you get the hell out of there." - AMEN SISTER!!! This was one of the parts of the book that I just couldn't get over. I don't think that Carl is entirely wrong in saying that it could be understandable, but if it makes it any better I have the same frustrations when I see real women in reality staying in similar situations!
I also REALLY didn't like the medical explanation of blindness thing. I mean, HELLO EASY OUT!!! I wanted there to be real ghosts, especially because if Eve can 'see' them (or smell them, in this case) then Benedicte should be able to as well. It just really would have...oomphed up the book for me, I guess.
I think one of the few things that kept me in love with the book (I seem to have had many of your same frustrations) was that I loved the scent portions, and the history of Benedicte's story. Plus, Pierre was a majorly nasty character, which was kind of redeeming point for me. I also think that the writing style was enough to keep me engaged, and I never once dreaded or fought against having to keep reading.
It's been a great read-a-long, and it's been so much fun to hear everyone elses thoughts!
But there were real ghosts, only Benedicte was the only one. :)
Daphne, I've read The Red Tent but it's been absolutely ages. Can you remind me about how that fell off? Or maybe I'll pop over to yours and ask...:)
Kailana, thanks again for whipping up the week two questions! I totally got a kick out of everyone's response to the lantern question :) It's been great fun seeing everyone's opinions, and it's so interesting how different people are reacting to the same issues.
Chelsea, I think I'm with you on so many things! I think that if I'd like the pervasion of scents a little better I *might* have hung in better to begin with. I did really end up liking Benedicte's story better in the end, but I had such a hard time engaging with her plot to begin that I think I just couldn't latch on.
And Carl, you have a VERY valid point! :)
I also had a problem with so many references to Rebecca, but I wrote it off to the fact that I just read Rebecca a few weeks ago, so it was much closer to me in my thoughts. There was one part that really annoyed me, though, and it was the fact that Du Maurier wrote a short story titled "Don't Look Now," and the opening line is the title. In an opening chapter, the first sentence is "Don't Look Now" exactly as the short story. For some reason, this irked me.
Other than that, I didn't mind the Gothic tale in a modern story; I like the atmospheric sense, and am looking forward to more from this author.
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